Gemora 1
What is the ק"ו that ר' יוחנן tries making to explain why עדים זוממין don't go to גלות?
If someone kills במזיד which is an action and they still don't go to גלות so then for sure the עדים זוממין which did an action shouldn't go to גלות
What does ר' עקיבא add to the list of rules about an עד זומם
That they don't pay based on their own testimony?
What is one of the ways how רש"י explains the phrase משלשלין בממון
either that if it is there is 3 עדים they divide between the 3 of them. or it just means divide the payment
What happens to the קנס payment after ב"ד decides that a person needs to pay it
it is considered ממון
In the end how does the גמרא explain how we know that עדים זוממין don't go to גלות?
Since the פסוק say הוא ינוס so it excludes עדים זוממין
Why can't we learn out that עדים זוממין get מלקות from לא תענה?
since it is a לאו שאין בו מעשה
Why would we think that עדים זוממין get מלקות from ולא תענה but it doesn't say in that פסוק that you get מלקות?
Every לאו by default gets מלקות unless the תורה says otherwise.
the גמרא makes a גזירה שוא of the word השתה by כופר to השתה by what?
hitting a pregenant woman
In the end how do we fully explain how we know that עדים זוממין get מלקות?
the פסוק of והצדיקו is only necessary if talking about עדים זוממין and it says that אם בן הכות הרשע
In the end what do we explain רב means when he says עד זומם משלם לפי חלקו?
Where one עד went to another court and said that they were made עד זומם in another court and ruled that we had to pay
When the גמרא makes a ק"ו and says that if killing which is an action and done במזיד you don't get גלות (then for sure testifying which isn't an action). Which case does רש"י stress we are coming to include
even if you kill במזיד without warning so you won't get killed
What was תוס's הוה אמינה of what it means עדות שקר העדתי?
that the first עד has to pay his share since he said he lied
What are the 4 things said about עדים זוממין in the ברייתא?
don't become חלל, don't go to גלות, don't pay כופר, not sold as slave
In which 2 cases did ר' המנונא think עדים זוממים are sold
1) when the עדים have money but the נדון doesn't have money
2) when the עדים and the נדון don't have money
If we would understand the פסוק of והצדיקו simply what would seemingly be wrong with the פסוק?
it would imply every time someone is wrong in court they would have to get מלקות
How does תוס in the end what the case of עדות שקר העדתי was?
The guy said he lied and now עדים came and said they are זוממים so only the second עד should have to pay since the first one disqualified himself
What are the first 2 suggestions for what it means עד זומם משלם לפי חלקו and how are they disproven?
1) if 2 witnesses then each pay half. That is already taught in a ברייתא
2) If only one of them is proven to be זומם he pays half. They only are זומם if all of them are
What are the 3 and 4th suggestions for what it means עד זומם משלם לפי חלקו and how are they disproven?
3) Where one of them said afterwards that they lied falsly. They are not belived since they can't change their testimony
4) they went to another court and said they were proven to be עד זוממין. Then this won't fit with ר' עקיבא
in the third פרק of מכות
How do we know that קנס when a person admits
since its says אשר ירשיעון אלוקים which excludes if he makes himself a רשע